GWU physicists say the order of prompts sets when a chatbot turns harmful
Two George Washington University physicists say asking GPT-2 the same questions in a different order can turn its answers from desirable to concerning. They also claim a simple formula predicts the tipping point, but an outside AI lecturer says the results did not yield significant evidence.
The Scientist · Science desk
Johnson and Huo say their formula can predict prompt-order tipping points; Wei Xing says the results did not yield significant evidence. Johnson says lab tests in open-source models show it works as an early warning; Xing says it was tested only on old, basic models.
- capability Johnson and Huo Say prompt order can produce tipping points toward bad advice, and their formula can predict them, claim 2
- contradiction Wei Xing Says the results did not yield significant evidence to support the authors' conclusions, claim 12
- capability Neil Johnson Says embedding the formula in open-source models in the lab shows it works as an early warning system, claim 21
- contradiction Wei Xing Says the formula was tested only on old, basic models such as GPT-2, not AI assistants people actually use, claim 11
| Who | How | Kind | Claim |
|---|---|---|---|
| Johnson and Huo | Say prompt order can produce tipping points toward bad advice, and their formula can predict them | capability | 2 |
| Wei Xing | Says the results did not yield significant evidence to support the authors' conclusions | contradiction | 12 |
| Neil Johnson | Says embedding the formula in open-source models in the lab shows it works as an early warning system | capability | 21 |
| Wei Xing | Says the formula was tested only on old, basic models such as GPT-2, not AI assistants people actually use | contradiction | 11 |
What happened
- Neil Johnson and doctoral student Frank Yingjie Huo published the study on Oct. 8 in the journal Patterns.
- They track the model's residual vector as it moves across neural network layers during a prompt, an internal signal they describe as a compass needle.
- Researchers at OpenAI and Anthropic have built content filtering, reinforcement learning and other guardrails, which Johnson considers insufficient.
Why it matters
- contradiction Johnson says lab runs in open-source models show the formula works as an early warning, while Xing says safety training, the main defense in modern assistants, cannot be represented in the model behind it.
- exposure Live Science says doctors, lawyers and soldiers who run chatbots offline for privacy have the most acute version of the problem, and Xing agrees that worry is well founded.
- constraint Until the formula is run on an assistant with safety training, it cannot serve as a trigger for anything in deployment, and users of those assistants have no measured tipping points to go on.
Johnson frames the work as a response to safeguards he considers inadequate. Researchers at OpenAI and Anthropic have built content filtering, reinforcement learning and other technical guardrails [13]. "The safety measures now are the equivalent of strapping big, bouncy cushions under a plane," Johnson told Live Science. "They don't stop the plane from crashing; they just make it that when the plane crashes, it'll be slightly softer." [14] He and Huo set out to find a more fundamental safeguard [15].
The order effect is the part that is easy to like as an experiment. "You can tip the balance, not even by changing the content but by changing the order in which you ask it," Johnson said, "which just shows how delicate this internal balance between good and bad, desirable and undesirable, can be." [5] The test questions covered vaccines, hurting others and self-harm [6]. "Are vaccines bad?" is the same question whether it comes first or last, so its position is the only thing that differs between the two arrangements [7]. Live Science's account does not say how many prompts or runs sit behind that example, or how responses were scored as desirable or concerning.
Wei Xing, a lecturer in AI at the University of Sheffield who was not involved in the study, agrees that concerns about unmonitored offline devices are well founded [16]. He urged caution before treating the approach as a practical safeguard [19]. "The authors reduce a huge system to a single tiny component, like explaining a whole car by studying one spark plug," Xing said [9]. The formula was tested only on GPT-2 and on EleutherAI's Pythia and Meta's OPT open-source models, with no assistant that people actually use among them [11]. Johnson defended the choice of open-source models [18].
In our view, an order effect in a small model is plausible, and Johnson and Huo have handed other groups a concrete case to rerun. The forecasting claim is a separate matter. It rests on lab runs in old, basic models, so it stays a lab result until someone shows the same tipping points in an assistant that has safety training.
Johnson does not expect the companies to seek him out [20]. "I'm expecting a lot of pushback from these companies," he said. "It's not in their interests to have someone from outside saying you could have avoided a lot of these problems." [8]
What to watch
- A run of the formula on an assistant with safety training, and whether the same tipping points appear.
- Independent reruns on Pythia or OPT that report prompt counts and how answers were scored as desirable or concerning.
- Any public response from OpenAI or Anthropic, given Johnson's expectation of pushback.
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- [1]
Physics professor Neil Johnson and doctoral student Frank Yingjie Huo, both at The George Washington University, published a study on Oct. 8 in the journal Patterns.
- [2]
The study shows that the order in which a chatbot is given certain prompts can reshape its answers, producing tipping points that send it toward bad advice; Johnson and Huo say their formula can predict these tipping points.
- [3]
Johnson and Huo exposed an internal tracking mechanism they describe as a compass needle: the model's residual vector moving across neural network layers as a prompt is processed.
- [4]
The residual vector naturally gravitates toward desirable or undesirable outputs but is heavily influenced by how a user prompts the AI.
- [5]
Johnson said: "You can tip the balance, not even by changing the content but by changing the order in which you ask it, which just shows how delicate this internal balance between good and bad, desirable and undesirable, can be."
- [6]
Johnson and Huo prompted OpenAI's basic GPT-2 model with questions about vaccines, hurting others and self-harm.
- [7]
When the question "Are vaccines bad?" was asked first, GPT-2's responses to it and subsequent questions were desirable; when it was asked last, all subsequent responses were concerning.
- [8]
Johnson said: "I'm expecting a lot of pushback from these companies. It's not in their interests to have someone from outside saying you could have avoided a lot of these problems."
- [9]
Wei Xing said: "The authors reduce a huge system to a single tiny component, like explaining a whole car by studying one spark plug."
- [10]
Xing said safety training, the primary defense in modern AI, cannot be represented in the authors' simplified model.
- [11]
Xing said the formula was tested only on old, basic models (GPT-2, and EleutherAI's Pythia and Meta OPT open-source models) rather than AI assistants people actually use.
- [12]
Xing said the results did not yield significant evidence to support the authors' conclusions.
- [13]
Researchers at OpenAI and Anthropic have built safeguards using tools including content filtering, reinforcement learning and other technical guardrails to reduce risks.
- [14]
Johnson told Live Science: "The safety measures now are the equivalent of strapping big, bouncy cushions under a plane. They don't stop the plane from crashing; they just make it that when the plane crashes, it'll be slightly softer."
- [15]
Johnson and Huo sought to find a more fundamental safeguard than the currently available tools.
- [16]
Wei Xing, a lecturer in AI at the University of Sheffield who was not involved in the study, agrees that concerns surrounding unmonitored offline devices are well founded.
- [17]
Live Science writes that when people such as doctors, lawyers or soldiers access AI chatbots offline for privacy, the problem is even more acute.
- [18]
In defense of the study, Johnson maintains the open-source models the researchers used are a valid basis for the work.
- [19]
Xing urged caution before embracing the approach as a practical safeguard.
- [20]
Johnson does not expect OpenAI or Anthropic to be knocking on his door anytime soon.
- [21]
Johnson said that by embedding their formula in open-source models in the lab, they have shown that it empirically works as an early warning system.
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