OpenAI asks the court to end Apple's trade-secret suit on pleading specificity
The defendants want dismissal with prejudice, which means the October 1 hearing turns on whether Apple named its secrets precisely enough, not on whether two former employees did what Apple says they did.
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What happened
- Chang Liu, Tang Tan, OpenAI, and io Products have filed a new petition asking the court to throw out Apple's trade secret misappropriation complaint with prejudice.
- Apple's suit alleges the two former employees took or accessed confidential Apple information after leaving, and coached prospective hires on avoiding Apple's security systems while carrying company information out.
- The defendants' motion argues Apple never identified protectable trade secrets with enough specificity, never plausibly alleged that any defendant misappropriated them, and never showed injury or ongoing harm.
- Apple is separately seeking a preliminary injunction barring the defendants from accessing, using, or disclosing the disputed information, along with expedited discovery to size the alleged misappropriation.
- With the response now filed, briefing on the motion is effectively closed ahead of a hearing scheduled for October 1.
Why it matters
- decision Labs recruiting out of hardware companies now have an itemised account of which everyday recruiting artifacts a plaintiff will reach for: the ask for parts, the download the night before an interview, the question about a named project.
- exposure If the pleading survives, Apple's expedited discovery request points straight at the hiring correspondence of a competitor's product team, which is a wider disclosure than any injunction would be.
- precedent A win on vagueness would teach incumbents that keeping a departure case alive means describing the secret concretely in a public filing, and that cost will decide which departures they sue over at all.
- constraint Asking for dismissal with prejudice removes the usual soft landing for both sides: Apple would lose the option to redraft the same claims later, so the drafting argument carries more weight than a first-round motion normally does.
The mechanism is narrower than the fight looks from outside. A motion to dismiss takes the complaint's allegations as given and asks whether they add up, which makes this an argument about drafting rather than about what happened in an interview room. OpenAI's new brief lays out the chain it says Apple has to complete: for the same information and the same defendant, what the asserted trade secret is, why that information qualifies for protection, and how that defendant improperly acquired, disclosed, or used it [11]. Neither the complaint nor Apple's opposition completes that chain, the brief argues, and the asserted secrets "are and remain vague categories and catch-alls" [12]. Because the request is dismissal with prejudice, a win would bar Apple from bringing the same claims again rather than sending it back to redraft [3][4].
The passage worth reading twice is the list of inferences OpenAI says Apple wants the court to draw. A request that a candidate bring "parts" becomes assumed receipt of confidential information. Pre-interview downloading becomes assumed disclosure during the interview. A question about an Apple project becomes assumed receipt of trade-secret information [14]. Those are recruiting artifacts. Any lab hiring out of a hardware company produces a folder of them in a normal week.
Of the eight argument headings in the brief, seven assert that Apple failed to plead something; the eighth asks the court to take the state law claims down with the federal one [15][17]. Where facts do surface, they arrive as alternative explanations rather than denials: OpenAI says Tang Tan kept Apple's offboarding document to help future hires comply with Apple's security requirements [1], and that Chang Liu accessed Apple information after leaving because former colleagues asked him for help [2]. Apple's response is that the defendants are explaining conduct it never alleged by pointing at unrelated events [9].
The people who will feel this ruling first are recruiting coordinators, hiring managers, and the IP teams sitting on the other side of an offer letter. Here is the test that falls out of OpenAI's own three links, applied to a candidate you want from an incumbent. Column one: can the thing you are asking for be named as a specific document, spec, or part, or only as a category? Column two: would that thing plausibly be treated as protected, and did the incumbent take visible steps to protect it? Column three: is there a message, calendar entry, or download log that ties a named person to acquiring it? A complaint that can fill all three columns for the same item survives a motion like this one. A process that generates a Slack line saying bring parts has filled column three for someone else.
The tradeoff is that specificity cuts both ways. Apple's alleged secrets have to be described precisely enough to plead, in a filing the other side reads, and an incumbent that wants a case to live has to accept that cost. If Apple's pleading holds up instead, its expedited discovery request reaches the recruiting correspondence itself [7], and the drafting question gets settled without anyone yet deciding whether the conduct occurred. Briefing is closed and the hearing is set for October 1 [16].
What to watch
- Whether the judge rules on the motion to dismiss before deciding Apple's preliminary injunction and expedited discovery requests.
- Whether Apple names specific documents or specs in an amended complaint if any part of the suit is dismissed without prejudice.
- Whether the state law claims are handled separately from the federal DTSA count at or after the October 1 hearing.
Clarity's read
What the record supports and how the coverage leans. The claims behind it follow.
Reality
- Evidence55
- Adoption
- Insufficient
- Hype gap+12
- Incentives65
- Confidence58
Claim ledger
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- [1]
OpenAI claims Tang Tan retained Apple's offboarding document only to help ensure that future hires complied with Apple's security requirements.
- [2]
OpenAI argues Chang Liu accessed Apple information after leaving Apple because former colleagues had asked him for help.
- [3]
Chang Liu, Tang Tan, OpenAI, and io Products filed a new petition asking the court to dismiss Apple's trade secret misappropriation complaint with prejudice.
- [4]
Dismissal with prejudice would prevent Apple from bringing the same claims again in the future.
- [5]
A few weeks earlier, Apple filed a lawsuit accusing two former employees, Chang Liu and Tang Tan, of trade secret misappropriation; the suit also names OpenAI and Jony Ive's io Products.
- [6]
Apple's lawsuit claims Chang Liu and Tang Tan took or accessed confidential Apple information after leaving the company, and that they coached prospective hires on how to avoid triggering Apple's security systems while taking company information with them.
- [7]
Apple has been seeking a preliminary injunction to stop OpenAI and the other defendants from accessing, using, or disclosing its alleged proprietary information while the case proceeds, plus expedited discovery to determine the scope of the alleged misappropriation, which would inform the scope of the injunction.
- [8]
The defendants' original motion to dismiss argued Apple failed to identify protectable trade secrets with enough specificity, failed to plausibly allege that any defendant misappropriated them, and failed to show any resulting injury or ongoing harm.
- [9]
Apple responded that its complaint identifies specific trade secrets and specific acts of alleged misappropriation, and accused the defendants of relying on unrelated events to offer innocent explanations for conduct Apple says it never alleged.
- [10]
OpenAI's new filing says Apple's rebuttal to the motion to dismiss "confirms, rather than cures, the Complaint's central defect."
- [11]
OpenAI's brief argues that to state a DTSA claim Apple must connect three propositions concerning the same information and the same Defendant: what the particular asserted trade secret is; why that information qualifies for protection; and how a defendant improperly acquired, disclosed, or used it.
- [12]
OpenAI's brief states that Apple's supposed trade secrets "are and remain vague categories and catch-alls, and Apple cannot substitute attorney characterization for missing facts."
- [13]
The brief accuses Apple of asking the court to "infer essential facts that are not alleged," adding that while "Rule 12 permits reasonable inferences from alleged facts," it "does not permit speculation to substitute for the missing act of misappropriation."
- [14]
The brief lists inferences it says Apple relies on: a request that a candidate bring "parts" becomes assumed receipt of confidential information; pre-interview downloading becomes assumed disclosure during the interview; a question about an Apple project becomes assumed receipt of trade-secret information; and allegations concerning one person become acquisition or use by another.
- [15]
OpenAI's rebuttal is organised under eight argument headings: Apple fails to identify the alleged trade secrets; the complaint fails to identify any trade secrets; Apple fails to plead reasonable measures to protect its trade secrets; fails to plead misappropriation by Chang Liu; fails to plead misappropriation by Tang Tan; fails to plead misappropriation by OpenAI or io Products; fails to plead harm; and the court should also dismiss Apple's state law claims.
- [16]
With OpenAI's motion, Apple's opposition, and OpenAI's response filed, briefing on the motion is effectively complete ahead of a hearing scheduled for October 1.
- [17]
Seven of the eight argument headings in OpenAI's rebuttal assert a pleading failure by Apple; the eighth asks the court to dismiss Apple's state law claims.
Sources
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- 9to5mac.comOpenAI renews push to get Apple’s trade secret theft lawsuit tossed
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