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Holding U.S. debt flat would take 5%-6% real growth, CBO's Swagel estimates

CBO Director Phillip Swagel put the real growth needed to stop U.S. debt rising against GDP at 5%-6%, more than double the current pace. He told a Minneapolis Fed conference that what remains is tax and spending changes, which he called inherently political choices.

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What happened

  • Swagel's estimate assumes interest rates of 4%-5% and requires nominal GDP growth of 7%-8%, figures he offered as back-of-the-envelope math.
  • Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said last month that with 3% growth the U.S. would grow its way out of its debt problem.
  • The Penn Wharton Budget Model puts the growth needed to hold the debt ratio steady at 3.5%-4% a year, averaged over a decade.
  • Publicly held debt equals 100% of GDP, gross debt stands at $40 trillion, and CBO projects the ratio reaching 120% by 2036.

Why it matters

  • cost The Treasury pays for the debt's climb through higher long-term borrowing costs, though CBO's own coefficient puts that bill through 2036 at a fraction of a percentage point.
  • contradiction The Treasury Secretary and Congress's budget office are 2 to 3 points of annual growth apart on what it takes to steady the debt, so investors forecasting Treasury supply have to pick one as their base case.
  • exposure Holders of long-dated Treasuries carry the feedback risk Swagel described, in which a rate shock widens the deficit and the debt and then lifts rates again.

In Swagel's account, growth helps less than it appears to because it also raises what the government spends. Federal spending lifts growth, faster growth lifts wages, and wages feed into Social Security benefits [5]. A strong economy also tends to push interest rates up, adding to the cost of carrying the debt [5]. His figures have nominal growth beating the assumed interest rate by about 3 points a year [24], and roughly 2 points of the nominal figure is inflation [25]. "So growth will help, but it's probably not plausible that growth alone will stabilize our fiscal trajectory," he said [6].

All three public thresholds sit above what the market expects. The bullish Wall Street forecasts put full-year growth at 2.5% [13]. That is half a point below Bessent's 3% and 2.5 to 3.5 points below Swagel's 5%-6% [26]. Bessent's case also depends on events going his way. "We'll get to the other side of this Iran conflict, and the underlying economy is very, very strong, and I think reaccelerating," he said at Southern Methodist University [21].

Productivity is the place where Swagel's numbers could turn out too gloomy. Minneapolis Fed President Neel Kashkari asked whether AI could speed up growth, and Swagel said CBO has detected an increase in total factor productivity [8]. He said future growth will be stronger, but that the deficit is too deep for AI-driven growth to be enough [9].

So far, the debt itself has done little to rates. On Swagel's coefficient, CBO's projected 20-point climb in the debt ratio by 2036 [22] adds about 0.3 percentage points, or 30 basis points, to long-term rates [23]. Long yields are already at their highest in 24 years [17]. Fortune puts that down to the strong economy, expected Fed hikes, oil keeping inflation high and a flood of AI hyperscaler debt competing for buyers, with the size of the debt also playing a part [18]. "So it's modest, but the fiscal trajectory is really quite challenging," Swagel said [20].

We think the debt reaches bond prices mainly through a shock. Swagel said there is "almost like a turbocharger," in which "An interest rate shock feeds into the deficit, feeds into the debt, feeds back into interest rates" [16]. On CBO's estimate, a decade of slow drift costs about a third of a point [23], while a shock keeps adding to itself through that loop. The counter-case is Bessent's: 3% growth does the job, and nobody has to touch taxes or spending [14]. On Swagel's numbers, that growth rate is 2 to 3 points too low [27]. We would be wrong if long yields kept climbing after oil, Fed expectations and AI borrowing eased. That would show the market charging more for the debt than CBO's 0.015 coefficient implies [19].

What to watch

  • CBO's economic forecasts due early next year, its first to include its views on AI: a 2036 debt ratio below the current 120% projection would weaken Swagel's case.
  • Whether buyers keep absorbing all the debt the Treasury issues, as Fortune reported they have so far.

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  1. [1]

    CBO Director Phillip Swagel said faster economic growth is unlikely to keep U.S. debt in check, even if GDP expands at more than double its current pace.

    ReportedSupportedSource: Phillip Swagel, via FortuneView cited source
  2. [2]

    Gross U.S. debt is $40 trillion, and publicly held debt is 100% of GDP.

    ReportedSupportedSource: FortuneView cited source
  3. [3]

    CBO projects the debt-to-GDP ratio rising to 120% by 2036.

    ReportedSupportedSource: CBO, via FortuneView cited source

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  1. fortune.com

    1 article · October 10, 2026

    CBO chief warns it’s ‘probably not plausible’ that a strong economy alone can steady U.S. debt as 5%-6% growth is needed—more than Bessent’s 3% view

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