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Qwen 3.8 27B ships at 'xhigh' by default, and your latency budget pays for it
Alibaba's new 27B open-weight model defaults to its deepest reasoning setting. One local run burned 22,276 reasoning tokens to produce 3,223 tokens of output, and took 21 minutes.
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What happened
- Alibaba's Qwen team released Qwen 3.8 27B on Friday, a dense 27-billion-parameter vision-capable model, under the Apache 2.0 license. Simon Willison's post describing it is dated 16 August 2026.
- Qwen3.8-27B is a multimodal dense model that processes images and videos, including diagrams, documents and multi-hour video; weights ship under Apache 2.0 on Hugging Face and ModelScope.
- Qwen's documentation says Qwen3.8 supports a reasoning_effort parameter with three settings: xhigh (the default, for complex tasks demanding thorough analysis), medium (balancing accuracy and speed) and low (efficient reasoning optimizing for speed and cost).
- The unquantized Qwen3.8-27B repository is 55.6GB, before accounting for the inference runtime and context cache.
- Community-created MLX conversions for Apple silicon are available: the 4-bit version is about 16.1GB and the 8-bit version is 29.5GB, making a Mac with 32GB of unified memory a reasonable platform for the 4-bit version at moderate context length.
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Why it matters
Alibaba's Qwen lab released Qwen 3.8 27B on Friday, a dense 27-billion-parameter multimodal model under the Apache 2.0 license [1][2], and it ships with `reasoning_effort` set to `xhigh` by default [3]. Anyone benchmarking it on a laptop this week will therefore measure a configuration nobody should run in production.
Start with sizing, because that is the part teams usually get right. The unquantized repository is 55.6GB before the inference runtime and KV cache [4]. Community MLX conversions for Apple silicon are about 16.1GB at 4-bit and 29.5GB at 8-bit, which makes a 32GB Mac a reasonable platform for the 4-bit build at moderate context [5]. Simon Willison ran a 17GB Q4_K_M GGUF in LM Studio on a 128GB M5 Max MacBook Pro and on an NVIDIA DGX Spark [6].
Now the part that will wreck your evaluation. Qwen's documentation lists three settings, `xhigh` (the default), `medium` and `low`, and the LM Studio GGUF preserves the `xhigh` default [3][7]. Willison first hit LM Studio's default 8,192-token context limit, because the model consumed all of it thinking about mundane prompts; loading the full 262,144-token context fixed that [8][9]. His pelican-on-a-bicycle SVG test then took 21 minutes, spending 22,276 reasoning tokens to emit 3,223 tokens of output [10]. That is 6.9 tokens of thinking per token delivered [11]. The same prompt with reasoning off produced 3,715 tokens in 137 seconds [12], roughly 9.2 times faster in wall clock and about 6.9 times cheaper in total tokens [13][14]. Decode speed is not the story: throughput only fell from about 27 tokens per second to about 20 as context grew, so the gap is volume [15]. Asked to "draw an svg of a circle", the model at `xhigh` spent several minutes deliberating over palettes and construction lines and returned an animated geometric study that was not what was asked for [16].
The quality is real. Willison calls it the best local pelican SVG he has generated, and still says the 21 minutes was not worth it; his recommendation is to start at `low` or with reasoning off [17][18][19]. Alibaba's own numbers put the model in the same league as Anthropic's Opus 4.6 at its Max setting [20] and show it beating the larger closed-weight Qwen 3.7-Plus on coding and office work [21][22], including a jump on DeepSWE from 14.2 to 42.2 [23], a gain of 28 points [24]. Those figures describe the original checkpoint, not the quantized builds most local users will actually load [25], and the harness matters as much as the model for agentic work [26]. Alibaba also reports leading Meta's Muse Glimmer-30B on every test where it publishes both scores [27].
Three things to watch. Independent benchmarks, which Willison notes have yet to weigh in [28]. Whether Alibaba ships a mixture-of-experts sibling in this size class, as it did for Qwen 3.6-35B, which would activate fewer parameters per token [29]. And the hosted Qwen Cloud version with one million tokens of context, extended via YaRN, which is where the long-context claims get tested without your RAM [30][31].
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Alibaba's Qwen team released Qwen 3.8 27B on Friday, a dense 27-billion-parameter vision-capable model, under the Apache 2.0 license. Simon Willison's post describing it is dated 16 August 2026.
ReportedView cited source - [2]
Qwen3.8-27B is a multimodal dense model that processes images and videos, including diagrams, documents and multi-hour video; weights ship under Apache 2.0 on Hugging Face and ModelScope.
ReportedView cited source - [3]
Qwen's documentation says Qwen3.8 supports a reasoning_effort parameter with three settings: xhigh (the default, for complex tasks demanding thorough analysis), medium (balancing accuracy and speed) and low (efficient reasoning optimizing for speed and cost).
ReportedView cited source - [4]
The unquantized Qwen3.8-27B repository is 55.6GB, before accounting for the inference runtime and context cache.
ReportedView cited source - [5]
Community-created MLX conversions for Apple silicon are available: the 4-bit version is about 16.1GB and the 8-bit version is 29.5GB, making a Mac with 32GB of unified memory a reasonable platform for the 4-bit version at moderate context length.
ReportedView cited source - [6]
Willison ran the model on a 128GB M5 Max MacBook Pro and an NVIDIA DGX Spark, using LM Studio and a 17GB Q4_K_M quantized build, and also tried llama-server directly on the Spark.
ReportedView cited source
Sources & coverage · 4 publishers
The reporting this story was synthesized from, earliest first. Every link goes to the original.
- the-decoder.comMatthias BastianAug 14Alibaba's Qwen team releases Qwen 3.8 models with open weights under the Apache 2.0 license
- thenewstack.ioFrederic LardinoisAug 14Alibaba’s new model promises Opus 4.6-level performance on your laptop
- simonwillison.net6d agoQwen 3.8 27B is excellent, but it defaults to wildly overthinking things

