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RelationalAI's Cassie Shum built her team's development harness on a knowledge graph
Her InfoQ presentation argues that knowledge graphs are the foundation of agentic systems. She scopes that claim to her own experience, and the published transcript stops before the definition section.
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What happened
- InfoQ published the transcript of Cassie Shum's presentation "From Retrieval to Reasoning: Building Production-Ready Agentic AI Systems with Knowledge Graphs".
- The talk runs in two parts: why she believes a knowledge graph is the foundation of agentic systems, then lessons learned, with a demo of the development harness she built for her team on top of one.
- The published transcript breaks off mid-sentence in the section headed "What is a Relational Knowledge Graph?", just after she mentions graph databases and a talk on decision models.
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Why it matters
- decision Anyone specifying an agent system now has to decide whether their hard queries are relationship queries before picking where the knowledge lives. That distinction is the approach.
- cost The first cost in this approach is domain modelling time, paid by the team that owns the domain, since the entities and links have to exist before an agent can traverse them.
- constraint Guidance its own author rewrote inside six months has a short shelf life, so a pattern lifted from this talk needs re-testing against current tooling before it lands in a design.
"This is not a dogmatic, everybody needs to use a knowledge graph," Shum said [7]. She put the same limit on the rest of the material: "It is also not like a GraphRAG tutorial" [8], and "This is also not a framework prediction. I don't know what's going to happen" [9]. She said, "This is just Cassie's experience and how I work with knowledge graphs and the agents and everything that we're doing now" [18].
Shum does her knowledge graph work at RelationalAI [3], and she is direct about the resulting bias. "I see knowledge graphs everywhere. I see everything in graphs because that's what I've been doing for the past three years," she said [14]. In the demo she is her own user: "I'm the customer of a knowledge graph in this particular demo, and the lessons learned there," she said [13]. She describes running agentic systems as "It's like the gambler thing" [16], which is the most honest account of an agent loop I have read this week.
The reason she gives for the approach is about modelling. "The reason I got into graphs is because I do think modeling data and modeling your domain is very graphical in format. It's about relationships," she said [19]. So the modelling comes first: entities, and the links between them, before an agent queries any of it. Twenty-plus years into a career that started in code and moved into consulting at Thoughtworks and elsewhere, she went back into the codebases to see what the agents were doing, and built the harness for her team out of that [4][5].
The revision rate is in the record. Her QCon New York presentation, in November of last year, went much deeper into creating a knowledge graph with GraphRAG [10]. She has pivoted away from that on the strength of lessons from the last six months, and says everything changed again in between [11]. "The worst part about giving presentations is you have to change it all the time now because it's rapidly moving," she said [12].
For the retrieval-to-reasoning framing to transfer to another system, that system's hard cases would have to be relationship cases. That is measurable before anything gets built: count the agent queries whose answers require following two or more links between entities, then check how many of those your current retrieval already answers correctly. Shum's harness answers that question for one team and one domain [5].
What to watch
- Whether InfoQ publishes the remainder of the transcript, including the relational knowledge graph definition and the harness demo.
- Any figures from Shum's team on which agent queries the graph answered and the previous retrieval path missed.
- Whether her next presentation revises the harness pattern again inside another six months.